Attendees: clsk, J_K9

Note: All timestamps in UTC (Universal Coordinated Time).

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7:07 j_k9 hello clsk good morning!

7:08 clsk hey

7:08 clsk good morning

7:09 j_k9 I've been browsing GSoC's documentation and the web for information, but there is very little on actually submitting a project to Google

7:09 j_k9 so perhaps running through the application form and preparing answers is our best bet?

7:09 clsk I suppose

7:11 j_k9 “Describe your organisation” - we support the development of Mira Groupware, an Open Source… etc?

7:12 clsk sounds good

7:13 j_k9 hmm.. quick question - we could either run through these now and answer them (quite a lot) or split them in half and email them to each other? then we could spend this meeting talking about what ideas/tasks to propose, how to manage students, etc

7:14 clsk splitting them sounds more productive

7:14 j_k9 aye ok, let's talk about the ideas

7:15 clsk we probably don't need to discuss how to manage students yet since we don't know if we're going to be accepted

7:15 j_k9 that's true

7:15 clsk I think the ideas are pretty easy

7:15 j_k9 i was reading that we could either: 1) set specific tasks to be accomplished, or 2) set general ideas and let the students propose tasks for themselves

7:15 clsk implement the base code for any of the layer (except for the layers we're currently working for)

7:15 clsk currently working on*

7:16 j_k9 hmm ok, but I think we need to be slightly more specific. the application form asks for a “URL for your ideas page”

7:16 j_k9 so I'm guessing Google is looking for a robust list of tasks

7:17 j_k9 http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors → “Creating your Ideas List”

7:18 clsk hm

7:18 clsk what do you propose?

7:19 j_k9 well, I think what you said sounds fine - except that these students, if we're accepted, will be working on the code for the entire Summer and so will have plenty of time to do more than that

7:19 clsk I can think of some and email them to you

7:19 j_k9 sure

7:19 j_k9 then I'll run through the questions, write up draft answers and email them to you

7:20 clsk right now I'm exchausted

7:20 clsk can't think much

7:20 clsk cool

7:20 j_k9 ah sorry - I thought it was an alright time. good, at least we've come to a decision

7:20 j_k9 GSoC is a brilliant idea though, so thanks for suggesting it - it's definitely worth a try

7:21 clsk yuss

7:21 clsk I'm not a 100% sure we'll get accepted

7:21 clsk but it is worth the try

7:21 j_k9 neither am I

7:21 clsk I was actually thinking of applying as a student earlier

7:21 clsk but I don

7:21 j_k9 but judging by some of the projects which were accepted last year, I'm quite optimistic. then again, those projects *did* have a larger codebase

7:21 clsk but I don't really have time for that

7:22 j_k9 ah right

7:22 clsk yea

7:22 j_k9 hmm.. are you over there all summer?

7:22 clsk yes

7:22 clsk until october

7:23 j_k9 I see… hmm yeah, I guess that would make it slightly difficult because it's impossible to get out of duty

7:27 j_k9 will you be able to make your meeting with Shafi at 11:00 GMT?

7:27 clsk yea

7:27 j_k9 if you're too tired I could just ask him to postpone /etc

7:27 clsk I just have to get some sleep

7:27 clsk I can make it

7:27 j_k9 ok

7:28 j_k9 in that case, now would be a good time to split. I'll work on the app form and get back to you asap

7:28 clsk sounds good

7:28 j_k9 brilliant. talk soon!

7:28 clsk I've been talking with Thurston for the past two days

7:28 j_k9 ah really? on the GUI?

7:29 clsk we're moving the code around in the client

7:29 clsk and working on the build tools

7:29 j_k9 such as the change in /alt, renaming the files, make the Code::Blocks project files etc?

7:29 clsk I plan to start working on the network code tonight too

7:29 clsk on the client side

7:29 clsk yuss

7:29 j_k9 awesome

7:29 clsk well /alt is fone already

7:29 clsk gone*

7:30 clsk he's also going to separate the source and headers

7:30 j_k9 that should be quite simple (network port to client-side), shouldn't it?

7:30 j_k9 ah

7:30 clsk he said he's running into some problems with the wxWidgets evet system

7:30 clsk eh.. not that easy actually

7:30 clsk it's a slightly different approach

7:30 clsk but shouldn't be to hard

7:31 clsk client code should be easier then server code

7:31 j_k9 ok, that's good. has he found any info on solution to the wxWidgets problem?

7:31 clsk not yet

7:31 clsk he said he's going to start looking at docs

7:31 clsk I refered him to their IRC channel

7:32 j_k9 so he should hopefully find a solution soon then

7:32 clsk yea

7:32 j_k9 good good.

7:32 clsk if not I'll probably take a look and see if I can help him out

7:33 j_k9 ok. btw he said something about the makefiles - is there any way we will be able to make a platform-independent makefile in the future, or will we need to have the Win and *nix ones?

7:34 clsk hm yea I think we'll have one for *nix and one for windows

7:34 clsk at least for now

7:34 j_k9 that's fine by me.

7:34 clsk I need to get my hands on a Mac system

7:34 clsk I can't test on mac platforms because.. I don't have one

7:35 j_k9 I've got a PPC one from about 4 years ago - would remote access on that help? if not, I could run some tests

7:35 j_k9 but it's obviously not an Intel Mac, so..

7:35 clsk maybe when I get back to the states I'll get a used system

7:36 clsk with such a slow connection remote access probably won't help much

7:36 j_k9 ah ok

7:36 clsk also another thing

7:36 clsk I think for the plugin system we're going to have one restriction

7:36 j_k9 ok?

7:36 clsk that for plugins to work they're going to have to be compiled with the same compiler as the main client

7:36 clsk *I Think*

7:37 clsk not sure

7:37 clsk I still have to see how other applications have tackled the problem

7:37 j_k9 that makes sense… so you're saying that we might not be able to mass-distribute a plugin?

7:37 clsk well yea

7:37 clsk we could

7:37 clsk for one it's an open source system

7:37 clsk so people can re-compile easily

7:37 j_k9 ah yes, I meant in binary form though

7:38 clsk but also we're the ones that are going to be distributing binary versions of it

7:38 j_k9 to save them some trouble (people like that, hehe)

7:38 clsk so whoever takes care of packaging and binary distribution/releases can take care of that

7:38 clsk since they're going to use the same compile anyways

7:38 clsk so I don't think it'll be too much of a problem

7:39 clsk but that might change in the future

7:39 clsk I still have to see how other applications solved the plugin problem

7:39 j_k9 ok, thanks for letting me know

7:39 clsk like codeblocks

7:39 clsk that's C++ and uses plugins

7:39 j_k9 take it up with Shafi and see if he knows something about that?

7:39 j_k9 ah good

7:39 clsk alright I'm going to sleep now so I can have that meeting with Shafi

7:39 clsk I will

7:40 j_k9 great, sure. get some rest!

7:41 j_k9 bye